What happened between him and Manson was also very accidental. At the NAMM Musical Instrument Exhibition (the largest musical instrument exhibition in the world) in 2003, JOHN 5 was still a user of IBANNA GAX series, but he never saw his name on IBANNA's booth (Japanese is really annoying). On the contrary, on FENDER's booth, he saw his name alongside those gods: SRV and Kloppton. He was so excited that Fanta was willing to sign John 5. J 5 was very excited and immediately devoted himself to the production of his signature TELE, because he felt that only those super masters could sign under the logo like FENDER, but Manson was always dissatisfied with the shape of the piano. Undoubtedly, this poured cold water on J5. Manson even insulted that it was a country guitar and called J 5 a hillbilly. In fact, this is a psychological effect. Television has always been used to play country music, which has become a cultural tradition for decades. J 5 is depressed.

In addition, some of his personal works came out at that time, and many music critics fanned the flames, saying that J 5 was an underestimated master and he would never be able to fully express himself in Manson's band. In 2003, it was also Manson's low tide. Manson's fat body and aging voice marked that the band had gradually weakened. In 2003, when Manson was thirsty, he even punched J 5, and they were still fighting and cursing together, which led to the whole scene being forced to stop after the beauty performance. Manson thought it was unforgivable, and J 5 was disheartened, so he officially left Manson and published his own personal guitar plane.